Havlicek -Rozmital 17century

[kceborski]

Hello,
I am looking for my ancestors from Rozmital. I found some documents, which are hardly to translate for me because I do not have experience with written gothic alphabet.
I am looking for birth certificate of Vaclav Havlicek died in 1772. Link: http://ebadatelna.soapraha.cz/d/12503/127 -right side 4th from the top
Propably document below is his act of birth: http://ebadatelna.soapraha.cz/d/12509/147 -right side 3rd from the top
I have also his sisters:
http://ebadatelna.soapraha.cz/d/12509/154 -right side 5th from the top
http://ebadatelna.soapraha.cz/d/12509/161 -right side 3rd from the bottom

If their parents are Toma and Marianna(?) it is probably their act of marriage: http://ebadatelna.soapraha.cz/d/12509/246 -left side 1st from the bottom

Would you be so kind and confirm my findings and translate those documents? What is surname of mother of Vaclav? Who is miller(mynar)? Are there any informations about age of those persons? It would help me to find act of birth of found persons.
Is there any webside with index of Rozmital parish?

With regards,
Kris.

[Dawid]

OK, it's a lot of work

Václav Havlíček was buried (rather than died) in 1772, obviously January 12 (check the ending of "eadem" = "the same" in the first column), in Rožmitál Nro. 28, aged aproximately 80 (remember, that these counts are often just a very rough estimate).
The birth record you found shows some Václav Havlíček, born in 1697, August (the record actually says "Deto", meaning "the same" month as previous, which is "Aug.") 15. That is some 77 years before the burial. So if there's no birth of any Václav Havlíček, that would suit the buried one better, than my answer is positive: this is the one And yes, his parents are Tomáš and Marie ("Tomass", "Maryana") from the city ("z města" - meaning Rožmitál).

As for the rest, the sisters (Marie 1699 June 7; Kateřina 1701 October 13) look OK too, as does the marriage (1696 November 15: Tomáš, son of Petr Havlíček, and Marie, daughter of some Kryštof, all from the city again; Kryštof's surname is really hard to decipher, looks like "Burle", but could be something else as well).

No further data besides some godfathers, witnesses, priests and other participants of the events.

[kceborski]

Thank you for confirmation Dawid.
I would like to ask about more details of surname of Kryštof and his daugter. In act of births of Tomáš and Marie's childrens there is word like "bacza". Isn't it maiden surname of Marie?
There is also word "mlynář" in Vaclav act of birth it seems to be occupation of someone. Is it possible to recognize who was a miller?
With regards,
Kryštof

[Dawid]

Matěj Bača, a miller, and Marie (Marina) Bačová, most probably his wife, became godfather/godmother ("levans" in Latin, here abbreviated to "Lev.") or at least baptismal witnesses ("testis", abbreviated to "Tes." or "T.") to Havlíček's children, that's all Nothing to do with Marie's maiden name, which was definitely different.

[kceborski]

Great. Thank you for help.

[kceborski]

Hello again,
thanks to your support I had a possibility to improve significantly my family tree, but I need your help again.
I probably found act of marriage of Václav Havlíček's from 1743. link: http://ebadatelna.soapraha.cz/d/12504/25 -right side 2nd from the top.

Could you please check if it is really his act of birth and translate all valuable informations.
With regards,
Kryštof

[Dawid]

Well, it indeed is some Václav Havlíček, a widower (!), with some Marie ("Maryanna") Kačírková, both from Rožmitál. 1743, June 18.
And one of the witnesses is some Ludmila Kačírková, surely a relative of the bride.

Á propos, czy Pan nie jest przypadkiem z Polski (aren't you from Poland)?

[kceborski]

widower! I was wondering why he was married so old. Are there any names of their fathers? . Now I need to find birth of his son -Jan to confirm that Maryanna Kačírková is may ancestor.
Thank you for help
Yes I am from Poland

[Dawid]

No to dlaczego po angielsku? Przecież my wszyscy Słowianie

Niestety, brak innych informacji poza przytoczonymi już przeze mnie (i poza imionami świadków i księdza - i datami zapowiedzi przedślubnych).

[kceborski]

Ok,
dziękuję.